Bernhard Baatjies - Episode 088

“Why not celebrate who we are?! We are not homogeneous in any way. My primary identity is that I am human.”

ex-Gangster. Traveller. Entrepreneur. Restauranteur. Bodyguard. Smiler. Script Writer. Storyteller. Founder of The Make a Change Project.

Sadly, in many 3rd world countries where people live in ghettos, slums, townships, favelas, life is tough. Each day is a struggle, you need to have your wits about you, and you need to earn your street cred. The people and mentors you look up to are likely to be those who lead you down the wrong path, often to drugs and crime.

Our Podcast guest this week, Bernhard Baatjies, was born in Hanover Park, Cape Town. Hanover Park is known to be one of the most dangerous places in the world, a place where there is not much hope. His Dad was a well-known pastor and helped many people out, but not his own family.

Bernhard Baatjies - exGangster, Restauranteur and Founder of The Make A Change Project

Small things, like walking to school were a treacherous affair for Bernie. A walk which should take 7 mins, would take him 30 mins, because he had to dodge the ‘Wild Cats’ and ‘Americans’, who were two of the local gangs in Hanover Park. At 16, he had become a gangster and started making zip-guns for their warfare.

Fortunately for Bernie, there was a spark inside of him. At 19, he jumped onto a train with the little cash he had and headed into the big smoke of Cape Town city. Thanks to one person believing in him and mentoring him, he got a job in a new bar which was opening up. That opportunity, together with his charisma, gave Bernie the trajectory he needed to take that first step into his new life, out of the Cape Flats.

A few years later, a slippery slope led him back into gangsterism. He got involved in the famous Brown’s Club, through Cyril Beeka, one of the biggest gangsters in Cape Town at the time. Bernie was offered to manage and have a small partnership in the club. Something he couldn’t really resist due to the partying, women, and drugs, seven days and nights a week.

An incident involving someone who was almost killed due to the security operation which Bernie was part of, really gave him the wake-up call he needed in life. He asked for permission to leave the gang and was granted that wish. Bernie would go on to live in Johannesburg, Bahrain and Thailand. He ran successfully eateries in all of those places.

Along the way, he met Donovan Marsh, who took an interest in Bernie’s story and ultimately wrote a script and made a feature film about his own life called, Dollars and White Pipes. The script was actually the first ‘book’ that Bernie had read cover to cover.

These days, Bernie is married to his Norwegian wife. They run a charity called, The Make a Change Project, which supports his old community with a school creche and a weekly soup kitchen.

We hope you enjoy this conversation as much as we did.

Let’s find out what it means for Bernhard Baatjies, to be Ridiculously Human.

Your fellow beings,

Craig and Gareth


Background, Context & Reference

Connect with Bernhard Baatjies:



Bernie’s film: Dollars and White Pipes

The Make A Change Project


Discussion Links

Cape Flats, Hanover Park

Gangsterism in Hanover Park – Wildcats, Americans, Laughing Boys

Sunni and Shia Muslims

Rat Park – Bruce Alexander


Dallas – TV Show

Big Brothers Big Sisters International


Primi Piatti, South Africa

News Cafe, Rivonia

Wits University

Khoisan People

People Discussed:


Donovan Marsh

Christopher Hitchens

Richard Dawkins

Bruce Alexander

Eric Bergman

Nelson Mandela

Sean Brophy

Cyril Beeka

Nicky Van Der Walt

Leeann Liebenberg

Charles Ash


Places Mentioned:

Hanover Park

Sandton, Johannesburg

Port Elizabeth, South Africa

Koh Pha-ngan, Thailand

Music By

The Bambuseae Rhythm Section – Check them out here

Simon Van Gend Band – Check them out here

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